Why Not Both is an exploration of how our multiple passions shape our identity. Hosted by musician and therapist Pam Shaffer, each episode explores the lives of musicians, writers, actors, and creative entrepreneurs.

Season 5

Elias Rønnenfelt of Iceage on how death is the ultimate boss

Harper Simon x Julia Holter on creativity, crime and medieval love affairs

Tove Lo on creative joy and the magic of body acceptance

S.G. Goodman on powerful songs and political activism

Eerie Wanda and the art of near death experiences

Bryce Drew on collaboration and the importance of leading a colorful life

John Darnielle of the Mountain Goats on creativity and absurdity

MØ on music and microcosms

Dana Schwartz & Korama Danquah on vampires, historical accuracy, and being terminally online

Pony Sweat on the tender magic of dance aerobics

Zola Jesus on moving to the woods and making music

Ellie Pritts on technology, photography and frogs

Stoya on adult content creation and mental health

Nabil Ayers on writing books and running record labels

Mal Blum on caring for your neighbors and following artistic inspiration of all kinds

Cadence Weapon on the intersection of community, activism and art

Simon Merli of Soundwalk Collective on creating the sonics of space

Kae Tempest on the power of words

Banks on mental health and music

Gay Hollywood on neurodivergence and creativity

John Vanderslice on finding inspiration in the simplest moments

Yoni Wolf on untangling religious stories and the charm of traveling to new places

Hrishikesh Hirway on balancing Song Exploder and his original music

Self Esteem on beating FOMO and creating for yourself

Jenny Hval on dreams and creativity

Dan Smith of Bastille on storytelling and songwriting

Jensen McRae on introspection and kindred spirits

Ibibio Sound Machine on the magic of accidental dance parties

Amber Iman on activism on Broadway

Tasha on valuing growth and curiosity over productivity

Lauren Mayberry of CHVRCHES on how horror movies and feminism inspired her latest album

Season 4

Yola on finding your artistic identity

Melissa Auf de Maur on creating Basilica Hudson and artistic serendipity

Jon Hopkins on the magic of psychedelic music and therapy

They Might By Giants on their decades long collaboration

Thao Nguyen on thriving as an artist by helping your community

Albert Hammond Jr. on the ideal wine spritzer and becoming a dad

Tori Amos on the importance of myth and magic in music

Alison Russell on the importance of creative community

Macy Rodman on crafting her live set and producing her music

Sigrid on the creative inspiration of the wilderness

Shirley Manson on being the frontwoman of Garbage and her podcast The Jump

William Shatner on the nature of the universe

The Weather Station on climate change and community

Pom Pom Squad on the power of introspection

David Duchovny on creative life as an actor, writer and musician

Devon Gilfillian on covering Marvin Gaye and voter activism

Devendra Banhart on the perfect peanut butter and creative collaboration

Laura Gomez on screenwriting and acting in Orange Is The New Black

Jonas Bjerre of Mew on modular synths

Anna of the North on the healing power of home renovations and happy accidents

Laurie Penny on juggling screenwriting and journalism

John Grant on redefining masculinity and the perfect coffee mug

Anjimile on empowering fellow artists through music business knowledge

Rufus Wainwright on the intersection of technology and art

Claud on loving and hating being perceived

Vanessa Vakharia of Goodnight Sunrise on math, magic and music

O Future on multicultural artistic endeavors

Twin Shadow on motorcycle repair and returning to his musical roots

Jenny Owen Youngs on moving across country and finding new inspiration

Girl In Red on rediscovering her love of photography

Anne Litt of KCRW on independent broadcasting and being inspired by Los Angeles

Freyja Eilif on existential healing and artistic creation

Julien Baker on being a queer artist and the importance of personal narratives

Nadya Tolokonnikova of Pussy Riot on art as activism

BabyFuzz on kaleidoscopic creative identity

Alex Somers on scoring for film and creating original music

The Anchoress aka Catherine Davies on following your intuition and embracing your strengths

Buzzy Lee aka Sasha Spielberg on baking the perfect pastries and the nature of creativity

Joshua Henry on balancing Broadway and his own music

Shamir Bailey on doing more with less and self expression

Parson James on mental health and LGBTQ advocacy

Reggie Watts on creativity, community and curation

Chris Baio of Vampire Weekend on discovering his love for kayaking and life outside of touring

Tegan and Sara on new music and graphic novel memoirs

Tawny Newsome x Bethany Thomas

Harvey Guillen of What We Do In The Shadows on playing the iconic Guillermo

Olafur Arnalds on supernatural musical landscapes and Icelandic salted licorice

Greg Saunier of Deerhoof on the transformative confluence of creativity and politics

Icona Pop on rave spas and the pleasure of domesticity

Perfume Genius on the importance of dance and inner chihuahua energy

William Cashion of Future Islands on transcendental meditation and ambient music

Aluna George on collaboration, curiosity and creativity

Thirst Aid Kit on deconstructing shame and embracing vulnerability

Season 3

Joe Wong on making music for film and podcasting

Sad13 on the power of language and music

Nite Jewel on balancing academia and music

Lido Pimienta on transcending linguistic and cultural barriers

Andre Henry on balancing writing and music and social activism

Ioanna Gika on grief and creative sorcery

Aurora on magic and artistic sustainability

Kathleen Hanna on using creativity for social change and getting back to her roots

Shalita Grant of Search Party on Four Naturals haircare and embracing vulnerability

Jarvis Cocker on living room discos and Icelandic folk tales

Soko on music, motherhood and move making

Big Black Delta on sobriety and art in service of others

Mxmtoon on viral internet fame and mental health

Tolliver on the creative power of satire and social justice

EdoHeart on divergent creative paths and social activism

Jehnny Beth on unexpected collaborations and being the bad guy

Sondre Lerche on songs and burgers

White Sea aka Morgan Kibby on balancing scoring movies and writing songs

Mark Foster of Foster The People on songwriting and personal transformation

Alison Mossheart on late night creativity and freedom of expression

Alice Bag on creative balance and the early LA punk scene

Local Natives on bikes, rogue birds, and making music in Los Angeles

HANA on creating her album live on Twitch and the magic of puppies

Joseph Fink of Welcome To Nightvale on creating surreal and beautiful stories

Season 2

Juana Molina on the creative inspiration of her homeland

Hannah Marks on balancing writing, acting and directing

Phantogram on crystals and collaboration

Mara Wilson on writing and mental health advocacy

Half Waif on crafting new music in novel settings

Lane Moore on writing books and hosting Tinder Live

Simon Raymonde of the Cocteau Twins on running a record label and making music

U.S. Girls on finding creative inspiration

Rob Graves on the nature of creativity

Sudan Archives on music production and staying true to yourself

Bethany Cosentino of Best Coast on the magic of estate sales and introspection

Iceland Airwaves featuring Madame Gandhi, Penelope Isles and Mightybear

Kid Moxie on acting and making music

Marissa Nadler on teaching art and making music

Kate Nash on Glow, music, and perseverance